Aug17,2011

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Agenda[edit]

  • Evoting
  • Ethics of open data
  • Black-tie McDonalds
  • ASC
  • TEDxVictoria


Minutes[edit]

  • Carol-Lynne (@sea_love) signed the @lawnbowling guest book!
  • Canadian government (Elections Canada) suggesting we should move to electronic voting
    • Kevin "It's just not secure..." see his detailed blog article
    • Audit and control
    • Not possible to recount
    • Scrutinizers
    • Is there evidence people will vote if electronic vs going to polling booth?
    • We have two ISPs in all of B.C. and so very few name servers to attack
    • Not about decreasing costs, suggest physical and electronic
    • digitalpolicy.ca and privasectech.com to publish articles
    • perhaps offer another solution to improve voting instead of just listing the issues with evoting
    • If you want to find out what happens after democracy, electronic voting is a great way - Herb L
      • Evoting could be the stupidest idea ever conceived" - Kevin
      • "No, there's other ones" - Chris P
      • "Well, it's got to have the biggest consequences" - Kevin
      • "Infoway (ehealth Canada) is up there as well" - Kris


  • Ethics of open data
    • Making a site of who's been talking to who in government
    • Kevin's site using financial data Proactive Disclosure
    • It's crown copyright they claim, so you can't openly use it
    • Data all needs to be in a standard format so people can use it
    • Open Information BC
      • Should there be an obligation on people requesting the data to be aware of the risks of the social network analysis
    • Should civil servants have any expectation of privacy? (social network publishing of email headers; who's talking to to)
    • Email subject lines, or just a hash so you can thread emails
    • Kevin was interviewed by data bc and has responded that he would like all email headers in government for social network analysis.
    • Herb asked for the entire org chart of the BC government (They said no)
    • What about crown agencies as well?
    • Is there a difference between citizens vs citizens who work in government vs government?
    • All of the topics of discussion
    • "If you deem everyone is a rational actor then..." - @caparsons
    • What about whistleblowers?
    • Website of things that have been requested. BC FIPA?
      • NZ example
      • Kevin and Herb working on a BC version!
    • Can we get someone from open info/open data in BC to come next week?
    • Kickstarter for FOI
    • DDoS FOI request
    • Important to seriously think through all possible serious consequences before lives are negatively affected as a result - @caparsons
    • If you work for gvmt, you've signed an agreement everything is public record
    • Open government licence is different than FOI (crown copyright)
    • Harder and harder for researchers to get access to PharmaNet data
    • A real-time feed of email subjects?
    • Take this over to crowns and agencies - Robert T
    • P3Ps were created to avoid this stuff
  • Black-Tie McDonalds
    • We want to fill it, wait in line until a non-tie person leaves, then sit at their table
    • Kris to create a Facebook group with date and time
    • We will fill McDonalds with formal dress, bring table cloths and good cutlery/dishes
    • Remove all evidence of official wrappers so it looks formal
  • TEDxVictoria
    • Looking for more speaker submissions on issues in the community
    • Theme is cultivating evolution
  • ALPR Update
    • Rob W did an FOI
    • Victoria Police did not respond, we just enquired on twitter
    • No records with the privacy commissioner can be FOId
  • Kris' art project at the open space gallery
    • Kevin tried it, liked it better than when he tried the single version at ideas Victoria
    • Emoti-chair